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offered a plan, president obama hasn't done any of that. he disavowed bowles simpson and offered all the it i haves -- alternative plans. the even bowles simpson, it didn't address the primary driver of our debt. health care programs. starting going bankrupt. i don't want a pass a bill to fix the fiscal crisis when i know it doesn't fix the fiscal crisis. >> neil: he's saying it didn't go far enough. charles payne, ben stein, dagen mcdowell and adam lashinsky and charlie gasperino. >> i think it was a good place to start, to ryan's point, it was with respect to social security or medical spending, you know, and the ideal spending cap. if we adhere to spending caps we wouldn't be in this position in the first place, so i take his point although i think it would have been a good starting point for everyone to say, okay, let's start with this and then go from there. ben stein? >> we've gotten ourselves into a such a deep hole and everyone wants to avoid tax, tax, tax, we can't. yes, they've got it cut it, and going to have to do financials, we don't want to do it, we've got to. >> neil:
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